Northside Piers Offering More Renderings, Floor Plans

1.

Is this on the current garbage transfer station? Or is that further down...? $370k for a studio isn't outrageous at all for the area.

2.

"Williamsburg is now officially for the stroller set."

PUHLEEEEEZE. It's a few buildings out of THOUSANDS.

3.

It is striking how much the gallery images focus on a certain type of people in the photos as opposed to the buildings or apartments.

4.

I hope all this stuff gets financing and is under construction before reality sets it. It would be great to get a bunch of affordable middle class housing I don't have to subdize with tax dollars, courtesy of investment losses.

5.

The web site definitely seems to be selling a lifestyle as much as (maybe even more than) it's selling the apartments. And that lifestyle seems to be "suburbia in the city." Who is doing this marketing? It seems like the Toll Brothers developments in Williamsburg ignore what is actually interesting about the area.

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#1, I believe so.

#5, This is true. All of these towers seem to be advertising in a similar "suburbia in the city" theme. It's quite sad. Suburban transplants want to live in the city but still live in the suburbs.

NYC is slowly being changed into vertical suburb because these people feel they need to change the city for themselves instead of coping with NYC life.

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My favorite bit of copy from the site:

"I can never predict how the morning meetings, the working lunches or the afternoon conference calls are going to go, but one thing never changes; on the way back home, I know I'll be stopping on Bedford for a bottle of wine and that cheese I've been dying to try."

Indeedy.

8.

who comes up eith the crap on that website?

if you fall for that i have a bridge for sale as well and it is close by

when will this insanity end?

9.

#1 I think the transfer station is further north on N11 and Kent? My apologies if I am wrong but, I run past and have to dodge the smell of the trucks at least once a week. Also, does anyone know who the architect is?

10.

Can you think of one immigrant group (and that's basically what suburbanites are) who hasn't changed NYC in some way?

You grumbly types act like this is something new. Slum clearing in one form or another is as old as NYC itself. For native New Yorkers, you sure don't know much about history.

11.

NYC for Americans? What an odd concept...

Who should I side with?... Americans who are contributing to society, have jobs, help vitalize local neighborhood economy, and pay taxes or Eastern European and Central American rejects expecting and demanding handouts?

I choose our own Americans every single time.

12.

You can't get funnier then that website.
What city are they talking about?

13.

Those personal narratives really make me laugh. More importantly, they actually make me NOT want to live in this development.

14.

Bedford for a bottle of wine and some cheese.
Now I KNOW I gotta there!

15.

Compared to the units at the Mill Building a block and a half away, these units are not "large".

I am surprised at how small the Penthouses are, unless there are others not listed. At least at Schaefer Landing they were relatively big.

It all depends on the pricing. But looking at North8, they won't be cheap.

16.

Yeah, around 1,075sf for a 2br is small, but the Mill Building does not have concrete flooring to separate your adjoining units. The Mill Building might look nice and is larger by several hundred square feet for a comparable 2br BUT it is noisy in there. Sound travels easily throughout. You'll hear your neighbors TV, stereo, conversations, platform shoes above and it will drive you nuts especially knowing you OWN this space and can't as easily move out.

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#1, it seems to me that $370k studio must be a lower floor unit facing east. I.e., no open view but that affordable housing development Palmer's Dock. Look at the rendering above closely.

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16-Sorry to disappoint you, but the developer of the Mill building just happens to be putting sound isulation inbetween the floors.

The ceilings are dropped slightly and finished, you will not be staring at the underside of the floor of the unit above you. So count on a few inches of sound insulating material and then a layer of sheetrock. I am pretty sure that it won't be too noisy.

The guys doing the conversion and really doing a first class job as far as I can tell.

19.

Thanks 18. As the developer's site rep, can you let us know if the units have experiential showers?

20.

I'm probably a retard, but actually considering buying a place here. Sucks I can't get a decent pad in Manhattan, and now my landlord's jacking up my rent. Think the only time I've gone to Williamsburg is to go the Luger's but sounds like it's not a bad place. NYC is the only place where we put up with tenement housing.

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#9: the architect according to the website is FXFowle Architects

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#9: the architect according to the website is FXFowle Architects

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Thanks for the info #18. I didn't know that. But, in my opinion and limited experimentation (and anybody can do the research on this and find out on their own) concrete is a superior sound blocking material. Of course, a lot of variables exist; thickness of concrete, dampeners for joists, air space and tons more. Though, I am glad the developers are aware of the concerns of today's buyers and addressing the sound issues from neighbor tenants.

Nevertheless, they get points for addressing and trying in my book.

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19-Huh? I think that you need to try again on "experiential".

And I am not a rep. I have been there and asked all of the questions one should ask before buying.

There are only a few units left, so I doubt that all of the buyers are a bunch of rubes that don't ask a lot of questions before plunking down their hard earned $$$$.

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23-I live in an all concrete building now. It used to be a printing plant.

If the floors are uncarpeted, you hear plenty. THe nails of my unstairs neighbor's dog make plenty of noise. And I know of one battle royal between two tenants, one of which trotted around her apartment in high heels at all hours of the night.

Concrete floors are good, great for fireproofing, but in reality transmit certain sounds just fine. The walls should be more of a concern than the floors. (If they were exposed from beneath I would agree.)

Just a note. The wooden floors at the Mill Building are several layers thick. In some of the units where there was damage and floors will be repaired, they looked to 3-4 inches thick. That is a lot of insulation.

26.

I know what you mean #23. I'm looking for a place & what I want are:

1. Solid, thick concrete walls, floors, ceilings. (Sound issue is my 2nd most important next to price)
2. Windows. Is it laminated 1/4" glass? If not can I change them? Double paned?
3. Ceiling height. I > 9'.
4. Kitchen Stove Exhaust system that vents to outside, not an air recycler vent.
5. Hook-ups for washer & dryer.

I know, I must be dreaming. Hence, I'm still looking and ever more considering farther and farther out.

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26-You just described the Mill Building, except for #1.

Concrete walls are gonna be tough. An old factory may have concrete floors, but nobody uses concrete for walls uless they are pre-existing.

Some of the Mill walls I saw were brick.

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#27. Are you serious? In #26's, points 2 to 5 are met by the Mill Building? I'll definitely check out the building then. Thx.

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#26 - #28
Sounds like a talk between the same rep...
#26 - I wish there was a building out there for me
#27 - There is!
#28 - Oh My God, You are right, it is for me!

Give me a break

This Toll Bros. building looks nice if you want a good view, but they need to get their ceilings at least higher than North 8th.

BTW, what's wrong with strollers? In 7-10 years there will be plenty of them around in Williamsburg, just like 25 years ago!

30.

Anyone knows anything about the conversion progress of 184 Kent?

31.

New windows. Double pane.

Ceilings 11 1/2 feet.

6 burner Wolf with external Wolf venthood.

W/D hook up in the apartment in the utility room.

32.

Yep, you got me. I'm busted, wooah is me.

I suppose if I deny it, it'll just reaffirm you're correct.

But, after looking at it (via website) it's not for me. And also consider this going on:

http://brownstoner.com/brownstoner/archives/2006/10/thats_me_in_the.html#comments

I'm not exactly convinced about the lack of concrete flooring. Well, concrete flooring plus sound insulation would be even better though. I also didn't see mention about laminated windows or the exhaust system in the kitchen.

33.

Are those two outlines where the buildings are going to be located? I thought those green spaces are public parkland? Just curious...

34.

Any toxic waste sites we should know about in this area? Hopefully, there isn't any in the immediate area, but you never know it being in Williamsburg.

Curious what the renders for the two towers are like and specs for it?

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I lived across the street for two years at the dumpy 151 Kent building. Dunno about toxic waste (then again it's sitting on a former paper recycling facility, right?), but it's just a block away from a cement factory. The dust from the cement factory and who knows what else in the air kept giving me bronchitis every three months or so until I moved several blocks away. I haven't been sick since I moved.

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#26, are you the person who posted about the Vista (in Vinegar Hill, listed through Corcoran) on Brownstoner? If not, apparently that building does have the vents you're looking for, plus W/D hookups. Haven't seen the building so can't say if it meets any of your other criteria though. . .

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Regarding toxic sitees, I'm so sorry to spoil your fantasies but this development is just a few blocks from the notorious RADIAC facility. Try low level radioactive waste plus chemical storage and improper dividing walls. If there is an accident at RADIAC, Williamsburg can become another Bhopal. (Remember it?) Once, when there was a false alarm at the place, the fire dept didn't even enter. And I forgot, engine co 212 has been closed and is rumored to be on the market for guess what, development. Said fire company was the only one in the area capable of handling toxic and chemical fires.

Good luck suckers.

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32-Nothing is "going on". That link is a pic of the lot next to the Mill Building on Wythe. They own it and are very clear about what they are going to be doing with it.

The building to the left is owned by someone else and is built in excess of its FAR, so without a variance it is not going to get any bigger. It is not currently being converted, so who knows what will happen in the future.

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#8

The insanity will end when we all stop reading curbed.

40.

hear hear!

41.

So much brownsfield in this neighborhood it's a wonder there are so many projects started and proposed. Brooklyn should rejoice in getting much of Williamsburg cleaned up.

42.

Word to the wise. They haven't cleaned up anything. Those condos are sitting on top of brownfields.